In this episode, our hosts reflect on how being witnessed validates our notions of what is real. Mandi discusses how reluctant people are to stand out as individuals such that they would rather go with the norm.
Rachel also emphasizes the need to have space to create and express our passions without necessarily having a monetary drive involved or searching for acceptance through social media.
▪ [01:53] Rachel got to know the story of a dog "Bunny the Dog" that was trained to learn to communicate by pushing buttons to form sentences, and how it got depressed as it questioned its existence and realized it was not human. Mandi also knows of someone who recalls the song that triggered their first sense of consciousness in childhood, and she remembers hers too. However, Rachel has no memories before the age of 12; this may be because she had to shut down her spiritual side when she felt it wasn't safe or the trauma of being very anonymous in childhood.
▪ [14:21] What we experience in our minds is supernatural; memories, imagination, electric synapses, and thoughts. Even though these are not tangible, they come from the brain which is tangible, hence they are real. And so intuition is also real enough to be trusted. In addition, those things are real if they can be witnessed, since the whole premise of humanity is to gain validation by having othe
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In this episode, our hosts reflect on how being witnessed validates our notions of what is real. Mandi discusses how reluctant people are to stand out as individuals such that they would rather go with the norm.
Rachel also emphasizes the need to have space to create and express our passions without necessarily having a monetary drive involved or searching for acceptance through social media.
▪ [01:53] Rachel got to know the story of a dog "Bunny the Dog" that was trained to learn to communicate by pushing buttons to form sentences, and how it got depressed as it questioned its existence and realized it was not human. Mandi also knows of someone who recalls the song that triggered their first sense of consciousness in childhood, and she remembers hers too. However, Rachel has no memories before the age of 12; this may be because she had to shut down her spiritual side when she felt it wasn't safe or the trauma of being very anonymous in childhood.
▪ [14:21] What we experience in our minds is supernatural; memories, imagination, electric synapses, and thoughts. Even though these are not tangible, they come from the brain which is tangible, hence they are real. And so intuition is also real enough to be trusted. In addition, those things are real if they can be witnessed, since the whole premise of humanity is to gain validation by having othe
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I Listen. It's so comforting, isn't it weirdly?
Speaker 2:comforting, i'm gonna say we didn't even talk about Rihanna at the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1:Oh, My gosh, she's a goddess.
Speaker 2:Okay, I went back to all of her old albums and just like, oh absolutely I've been on a deep dive.
Speaker 1:Absolutely been on a full, deep dive, obsessed with her. Can't get enough of her. Also shout out. There is another podcast out in the world of two ladies who are besties and it's called I've had it And it's become my new favorite podcast because it's just these ladies getting together talking about like things that piss them off And it's just I've had it. I've had it with that And I'm like I am gonna start actively petitioning to get them to come on our podcast.
Speaker 2:We'll be on there's.
Speaker 1:I Know I'll be a little like, have me on. I've had it with a lot of shit. I want to talk about it.
Speaker 2:I was our last episode. Yeah, do them in gloom. But you know what? we ended on a positive note.
Speaker 1:We're trying well geez, i hope so. Well, yeah, i got real dark last time. So, thanks, think again. We're talking about holding space and letting people be human and you know we're being real on here. So I appreciate, you know, appreciate that. So, thank you.
Speaker 2:Okay, well, listen, i was trying right before we started. I was trying to tell Jesse about Bunny the tick-tock dog.
Speaker 1:Oh no, this is going to create listener engagement. Right here, let's go.
Speaker 2:First of all, i haven't like, i don't follow or like anything on tick-tock. I just open it up and whatever it wants to tell me stop you, just you, raw dog tick-tock 100%. I'm out here, you don't have an algorithm.
Speaker 1:No, oh my gosh. Sometimes I will specifically not click on something because I don't want it to mess up my algorithm. Never mind, keep going.
Speaker 2:No, i learned my lesson from Instagram. I literally just open it and whatever it wants to show me, it shows me. Okay, and Bunny the dog was in my loop for a while. I think. Maybe I don't know if tick-tock and Instagram talk to each other, but it's also. I know there's no video for the viewers, but it's also ended up with this bird feeder.
Speaker 1:Is that one you can wear? oh my god, what do you have?
Speaker 2:Okay, wait before I tell you about bunny. I have this beautiful window and Hummingbirds and robins and all sorts of creatures come through all day long, to the point where I get very.
Speaker 1:If you've purchased an ostrich farm, I'm gonna be very upset.
Speaker 2:Oh, my gosh And tick-tock. I ended up on bird talk and Here's what it is, cuz it's clear, you just put it and then you suction it to your window. I asked for bird seed for my birthday from my child next week. I'm gonna put it on my window and they're gonna come and I'm gonna watch them eat the food.
Speaker 1:We need a sound effect for that. Yes, Thank you You have that right next to you, ready to share. That was a beautiful show and tell Somebody please send her some bird seed. We need hummingbird juice. Like what is that? that they have nectar. Yeah, i really like, look like I made like very specific eye contact with you when I You're gonna be like sprints or pratt from the hills. He just like has hummingbirds on the water. Okay.
Speaker 2:Was. I get on bird talk a lot and so I just realized last year was you know, this is 40, mm-hmm, i rage so hard, 41 coming in a little bit softer. I'm just birdwatching now. I.
Speaker 1:Love this. I love this. It's it feels like a natural progression, you know, okay, okay, so we're watching birds. Now Tell us about bunny. Is that the dog that had the buttons?
Speaker 2:Yes, okay. So bunny is, i think, like some kind of big poodle or something, i don't know, and The owners have all these different buttons that the dog can push with its paws and it says a word. So when it wants to communicate, they trained it to like do sentences.
Speaker 1:It's like on a map right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, okay, you can literally have a word-for-word conversation With this dog. I think Jesse's looking it up. Please do no. Okay, so At first it just started with, you know, i think they did it for tick-tock likes and just to show that dogs are, you know, our little companions, and it's so sweet. However, this took a turn.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, i know.
Speaker 2:Here we go.
Speaker 1:Welcome back to the podcast Doomsday lullaby.
Speaker 2:Damn it.
Speaker 2:We promised ourselves we weren't gonna do this anymore so and the dogs started asking questions about his existence and At one point it looked in the mirror and asked Who was that? stop asking it about itself. And the owner was like that's you, your bunny. And Bunny didn't understand because bunny genuinely thinks it's a human and so From that moment, like, looked at itself in the mirror and understood, like, had self actualization, like self-awareness. The whole tone of Poor bunny like took a turn. So essentially it's like got depression and anxiety now And it's on like doggy medication Because it's it's this conscious Brain in this dog body.
Speaker 2:Oh, My gosh, but it's not human. It's like a where yes, it's totally self aware, and so why does that make me feel?
Speaker 1:like an ache.
Speaker 2:I, because it's, i feel like. So there's all this controversy now, although I can't ever find it because, again, i just brought up tiktok. I don't know, you know, but once in a while, watching that guy who loves trains.
Speaker 1:You fucking love that guy.
Speaker 2:If you've ever wondered what the great Rachel prairie does in her free time, Just on there, but I gotta be quick because I only get my 20 minutes.
Speaker 1:See, you're better than me. I'm like time limit, shmim limit. Why am I depressed? You and bunny? Oh see, gosh, dang it. That's not funny, that's real.
Speaker 2:So I know, but there was, so now there's other people like posting or duetting like they felt, like it's been unethical of the owner.
Speaker 1:Whoa.
Speaker 2:Seriously. But the owner is like I didn't know my dog was gonna become self aware because it can now speak to me through buttons on the floor. Oh, it's just a fun thing, you know dude, that's kind of it.
Speaker 1:Well, that's super interesting. It's also like I mean, obviously That's sad, that's so weird because like we as humans, we have like actual language and like awareness and understanding and we can't cope With like the awareness of that. That's so interesting. I saw a. It's kind of it's different but it's kind of the same thing.
Speaker 1:I saw a video where Somebody said This is the first song I remember ever hearing. It was like the song that triggered like my consciousness To like come on. And then they asked the question like what was the song or the moment that like activated your consciousness? And I, i just like really stopped for a second. I was like whoa, do we all have like a song or like a moment, like a first memory of clarity when you're like consciousness comes online? Because when I, when I actually thought about that, i, i did, i did. I have a very specific. It's kind of funny Don't make fun of me guys, but I, i have a memory of being in my dad's truck with him. I must have been like maybe three, maybe two or three, and the song man eater by Don by holla notes was on the radio And every time I hear that song I think of that, and it's weird because I would never word it as the moment my consciousness came online, but it is from that moment That like memories begin. Isn't that weird to?
Speaker 2:think about it. That is so loud that you said that because I have a friend. She actually sent me Also on ticked off. There's a filter right now that the teenage dude.
Speaker 1:Are we gonna talk about this?
Speaker 2:into your teenage self. Yeah really bizarre, because it's more bizarre to me because, like the internet didn't exist when we were, you know, like we, we didn't have phone like yeah, no, yeah, there's no footage.
Speaker 1:Yes, and if there is, it's like real tacky, like choreographed Janet Jackson dances. Carla, do not ever release that out into the public. She says a sidebar.
Speaker 2:Okay, bye and my friend Aaron has the most most incredible memory. She can remember Everything that's wild what we were wearing, what we ate, what music was playing, who we were. And I was trying to think I'm like I don't think I have any memory like under the age of 12. Really, i look back at pictures. I was like, oh, i know I went there And I know I went to camp and I because I saw the picture of it happening- You know, remember it. But I was like Well, can I can?
Speaker 1:I actually ask you a hard question. Yeah, do you think? because you shared before how you had remembered that when you were a kid you had like imaginary friends and shit. Yeah and you were like very, very, very, very spiritual and probably I would say like Psychic, like you were very awake in your Spiritual gifting and then kind of had to shut that all down when you like Felt like it wasn't safe to have those experiences. Do you think that's why you don't remember? because you had to shut a lot of that down?
Speaker 2:I think and I I don't know because I really can't remember but I switched schools When I was 12 so I was at a public school We're in the town that I lived in and then I switched to the Catholic school that I went to all the way graduation and I don't know what happened before that. I know I was bullied and I know I was pretty. The reason my mom pulled me out of public schools because she went into conference and the teacher pulled out the wrong, like grades and stuff, because she had no idea who I was like. I was just Like I didn't like anonymous.
Speaker 2:Oh My gosh, like I didn't have. I had a couple friends in the neighborhood, but I couldn't name any friend that I had at school. I don't even, can't even remember, like, what my school looked like, so I don't know if like something that was like traumatic enough where my brain was like let's just forget that. Yeah, you know, you got friends, now your teachers. So interesting.
Speaker 2:So did you try the filter? So I did try the filter, but it does not look how I look. It was just like a creepy Filter. But a lot of people are getting very emotional and I'm like man God, like the amount of self-love that we had to I Don't know, just like to be where we are now, even though I know we're all woke and everything sucks and we're aware of it.
Speaker 1:No, no, remember. We talked last time about how we are. We are on the search for hope and We are. We are going to be pioneers and warriors for human connection and Not trying to escape the human experience. We're gonna be in it right now. Right, that's, that's our mission here.
Speaker 2:Yes, i'm not waiting for my alien family to come get me anymore. I mean, i'm just saying, if you do want to come get me out, we're ready.
Speaker 1:We're ready, but no rush.
Speaker 2:Since we're here yeah we're gonna. Yeah, we can list off all the things we're gonna make the art.
Speaker 1:We're gonna do the things Well, okay, so I also In the same conversation. Since we're just okay, this, can we name this episode like let's put all the weird like the spiritual junk drawer, like all the weird like nuggets, Hashtag, high thoughts, like I Had this like download a couple weeks ago that, like Everything we experience in our mind is supernatural. Think about it. Okay, we're just hang with me for a second, cuz I know I get weird. This is why people don't like to hang out with me late at night.
Speaker 2:We go out. when you finish, i'll share a couple of the things I put on my ideas list To counteract it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, okay, but it's like, it's like it's all supernatural, like this memories, our imagination, our very electric synapses that are happening in our brain, that have a voice, and like pictures. like people think differently, right people? I Remember having my mind blown when I realized that, like, not everybody thinks in like movie clips, like their imagination doesn't work the same as mine. like I had a friend of mine who, literally, when she thought about things, she saw it in written text, like typewriter text. She didn't hear anything, she didn't see anything. She saw it as written typed text. And I like still, that was like 20 years ago She told me that I still like I've never gotten over it Cuz I just like can't wrap, i just can't right.
Speaker 1:but think about it. everything on our mind is supernatural. It's like it's all happening, it's real, it's happening right now. We're thinking about it, you're having a thought, but like that's all that's in there is your actual brain. Like, if you think about the nuts and bolts of it, like it's my skull, it's my head If you guys can see me right now, i'm literally like clenching my face. She's holding her head. It's like that's what's actually real, right, but this experience that I'm having in my brain because of electricity and awareness et cetera, is like supernatural. And so if we know that we are experiencing this right now and it's real, why do we doubt things like intuition or the more woo-woo type things We?
Speaker 2:were always like we need tangible evidence.
Speaker 1:I'm like what's a thought? Yeah, a thought itself is supernatural, a dream.
Speaker 2:It has to be right, because it can't be real. Something can't be real until it's witnessed.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying. That's why.
Speaker 2:That's the weird thing that they came out when they blew our minds with all the different galaxies, like in that same week. they were like, oh, and, by the way, none of this is real unless it's witnessed.
Speaker 1:But that like loops in our last fucking episode of like everything we're doing, like trying to achieve so that we can be seen. That's all that is Like when you achieve, you want to be seen. Right, when people get angry and explode on social media, it's because they want their rage and their feelings to be witnessed and seen. We're talking about holding space and what it means to be human, to sit with somebody in their pain. Because they want to be seen, because that's what makes it real.
Speaker 2:Bunny the dog. Oh my god.
Speaker 1:Just FYI to our audience. If you want to follow him on Instagram, it's on. It's. What about bunny? 1.3 million followers. You know what I'll be doing?
Speaker 2:Oh man, I actually don't know if I want to Bunny, I'm actually like.
Speaker 1:Now that I hear this story I feel guilty for following. What about bunny? But OK, and not to like get weird, but just like we were talking about last week. If it's true, if I am that comma, i am, then poor little bunny in his dog, but a dog body having a supernatural mind experience is me right, just like. So. Everything that's living and breathing is sentient and connected if we are all one and we're all connected. But that is, how is that real, unless it's me saying it out loud to you? Otherwise it exists in my mind supernaturally. Welcome to Spill Your Guts podcast guys.
Speaker 2:Oh my god, like barely breathing right now.
Speaker 1:Light work Like light work out here on these existential stream.
Speaker 2:Well, and we also started to get into like what it means to be a healer last week and that not being in your ego but just holding space right, being a witness poor bunny just wants to be witnessed But it doesn't quite understand what's going on But like creating for the creative or like not inside of this, like capitalistic brainwashing that we all go through but also are consciously aware that it's happening to us.
Speaker 1:But think about it. I feel like we're on like the verge of something important, like in this conversation. Because if that's true, right, then that would explain why we all, in various different ways and forms, have the urgency, the urge, the desire, the compulsion is the word I wanted A compulsion. We all have this like need to create something, like you know, and a lot of times in our modern culture it gets like kind of dismissed as like, oh, you're an artsy person, like you're an artsy guy And oh, that person, just like you know, wants to express themselves. Or like certain artists, right, like it's OK, like we can talk about it, and it kind of like digest art, like in certain spaces where it's appropriate, but it's like not where we live, right, because we're civilized, yes, but like, actually, that's like every human being is trying in their own way to express Like, even through fashion.
Speaker 1:Or I think it's so interesting because, like in the retreat space, like when we're talking about healing and like doing the work or whatever, people always get so weird about doing art. Yes, people don't like it, people don't want to do art because we're so critical of ourselves, people. And why? Because we don't want to be seen. We don't want somebody to see that we are quote unquote bad at something like oh listen, i wrote a whole blog post like years and years and years ago about the fucking paint and sips. Or do people still paint and sip?
Speaker 2:Is that a thing I think they do?
Speaker 1:I think they do So back in the paint and sip like climax, like the height of the height of paint and sip. When I had like six, like you know, still lifes that I that I did with you know, you know, various friends. I went to a paint and sip night with a couple friends and my sister decided to come with us. And my sister is an incredible artist. She is just, she's just one of those people who is just an artist like, is like in their bones, and she doesn't like create art, like she's not trying to pursue it as a job or anything, but she's in a. I mean, she takes a little sketchbook everywhere. She goes and does these just wild, like watercolors on the fly, and it's just like what her soul needs, you know. And she's also have Gemini. So let me just set this story up. She's a sassy Gemini, so we go to this paint and sip and she's mostly just like playing along with me, like, oh yeah, i'll go with my sister and our friends and I'll do this fucking dumb thing And we go and it's like a Christmas, like themed right, it's like a winter scape, like the for those of you who've never been to like a paint and sip place, it's like you go to a venue and there's an artist there who has like a piece of art that's chosen to for everyone who's coming to paint And the art instructor is going to like teach you step by step how to create the same painting. So you basically pay like 40 bucks and you get to have, like you know, some wine and run your mouth with your friends and you paint a picture and you all laugh at the end because you know they all look the same but like also slightly unhinged, and so this one we went to, this one we went to, was like a Christmas winter scape. Okay, so you're only given the colors that you need to create this, this thing, and for us that time it was like this, like kind of gray background and some snow. So the colors were like black, gray, white, because we're creating this like trees and like there's like this deer with antlers and there's like a whole thing And there's like lots of people. There was packed.
Speaker 1:Like I said, it was in the paint and sip hay day. You know what I'm saying. We were drunk with power back then. We didn't know what we had. So we go there and I had always noticed this when I would go to these things and it would always bother me.
Speaker 1:Okay, but immediately like after the instructor gives you like the main spiel. At the beginning, they kind of like let you go and you paint and sip, you know you like time with the girl. Yeah, you just like try your best and the instructor goes around and helps and that's you know. And then you're, when you're done, you take your shit and you go home. Well, immediately, as soon as the instructor's done, all you hear all the women start. Oh, i'm not going to be all mine's going to look terrible. And I just thought this is so wild. People are so uncomfortable, right, and I just thought it was so bizarre.
Speaker 1:But here goes my sister. She's got a full canvas and she ain't painting no winterscape, but this actual, this actual painting is hanging right now in my house, in my downstairs bathroom. So when you come over to my house and you see this painting, you're going to know this story. Now, people, my sister takes these colors that were meant for the winter scape and she creates a black ocean with a storm. It's like a rolling ocean waters and like lightning and a moon and it's very like ominous and crazy. But the real story is, as my sister's just using these colors provided and making her own thing, the women around us became wild. They could write. They could not handle it And my sister was kind of like at that point I'm like, oh, bitch, you're doing this for the controversy. She's like you can't tell me what to paint. And then when she started painting it and all these like ladies started freaking out because she was a breaking a rule.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Right, it was so uncomfortable for them And it was like so interesting to me because just just how like I couldn't at the time I was actually working in my fitness job and I really related it a lot to how uncomfortable we just are in our bodies and how like much energy we put into like trying really hard to like make sure we look like everyone else And we're not like standing out too much and And. But the real story became like how my sister was just like comfortable to just be like wild and do her own thing. And here I am still years later, talking about it.
Speaker 2:I would think of that like creating for creation's sake, like we. I'm going to quote you. Wait, i wrote it down somewhere, maybe it's in my. I keep listen everyone. Mandy, this is a direct. I don't know If I die. Okay, don't worry about my browser history. You need to delete my notes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, girl, my, my, my, like a nose be unhinged.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of angry letters I ain't sent to people.
Speaker 1:There's also things that just don't make sense either. Like it's like like here, here, here I'm just going to rule it. Just hold on, this is going to be fun, right? Okay, first one Uh, turkey rice, veg, meal prep bread, eggs, tortillas, yogurt. That's your first one. This next one, let's see. This is just says insulting. I swear to God, it just says insulting Period. Look, i don't know who pissed me off on January 18, 2023, 8, 59 am, but insulting Period. Okay, let's see.
Speaker 1:Vanilla creamer teledoc no additional text. Okay, taco ring question mark Don't know what. Here's another one. It just says 552410 pet peeves. Here's a list. I've started to collect pet peeves Cause in case you need to be ready. First one I'll just read you the first one. It says when people text without a proper Greek I completely agree with that When people text without a proper greeting, it's a top, top one. That grinds my gears. I fucking hate it. You gonna hit me with a hello before you make a list of demands, karen. You better address me appropriately, Okay, anyways, sorry, delete that note history. You got it. I'm right on top of that, for you.
Speaker 2:That's real Cause I was actually I was looking to quote you. My ideas bobbed up. I think I shared some of them last time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just read a few. read a few. Come on, can this be an ongoing segment? We need to. Yeah, what's in Rachel's notes today? Ready go, just just your top two faves.
Speaker 2:I'm trying to get it out. I don't know if I can.
Speaker 1:It's going to be a good one, cause I know a few of yours.
Speaker 2:Okay, finger puppets Why?
Speaker 1:No, no context Insulting period. That was it. Finger puppets, cool. Well, if you ever want to know my passwords, i've got several notes of passwords, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:That I. I'm like what's our Netflix password? I?
Speaker 1:don't know. Look on page 79 of my notes. Oh my gosh, this is an expose. Oh my God.
Speaker 2:Lots of lots of workouts.
Speaker 1:Okay, anyways, wow, that escalated quickly. So many workouts I'm bringing back, cause I wrote, wrote this down.
Speaker 2:I also have my Mikey quote on here too. Like, keep on there. But this was something that, like, i cannot get out of my head that you said that being a healer who is not leading an ego simply needs holding space and being a human for others, human witness for others. That is it. There is nothing to sell. And that last line is what made me start like, really like being anti social media, because that's why I went on that little rant last week about the little fit in. Yeah, influencer switch. Also, i'm sure they're 19 years old and making three times the amount that I am. You know what I mean. Like I'm sure they've cracked the code on Tik Tok, right. Yeah, i'm not sure, i'm not sure. I'm not sure They've cracked the code on Tik Tok right. But it was just like, can I not? And when I looked around the gym there were six tripod set up, six phones running from different people recording, and I was like this is my mental health space.
Speaker 2:Like this is where I go to not plug in, i have music on, i put my phone away, i have my, make sure my, my zone's running. That's it over and away. I'll throw on. I don't ever like bring a tripod, but I'm like, ooh, i want to share this work. Extra time, thrown up two seconds, close it back to work. And I started thinking I'm like, are we really so brainwashed that there's things like creating art and writing and and doing a workout that we always have to post and sell and share and try to make money off of? Yeah, like that's what was starting to really bother me. My dad's an incredible golfer And years ago someone approached him about like going on tour and he was like nah, this is my passion.
Speaker 1:Wow See, yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2:And I think, like we are, we are in this like social, digital, whatever. Everyone can become an influencer and make money and like You can do what you love Yes, be an ambassador and get paid in t-shirts So post the picture and it's like can we just do things for the sake of it? And like And that's why some of the reasons like I post the things that I care most about and the people I care most about, i am real. I think so hard about posting and sharing.
Speaker 1:Well, which is, i think, when you talk about being a healer or being a leader, i think that I'm experiencing the same thing, but kind of like on the opposite end of that pendulum, because I feel like what I'm telling myself, like what's getting in the way of my being free to express or create for the sake of expressing, like you just said, is because there's too much the saturated talking heads, right, Like you know, like, oh, people, like, why don't you promote your podcast more? Like I'm like, oh, because there's like a million, yeah, and then our people who are supposed to will find us and, like you know who needs another like opinion in the world and who needs, like another book and who needs another this and another that. But, like we talked about, with that documentary mind over murder, right, like it does matter. You don't know who is going to be listening to your singing or see your you know dance or see whatever it is that you're creating. And I think that that's where it gets kind of muddled, because when you start creating or doing things out of a need to create a brand, right, to create a program or something you can sell, that's where it starts to feel weird.
Speaker 1:I think that's why I struggled with being a coach. If I'm being honest, it's this failure Your podcast is going to be honest, i really struggled with trying to monetize aggressively something that I really care so much about. That changed my life in this like deeply profound way. It felt weird. It felt like cheap Not cheap, that's not the word. It felt well. It felt like I was cheapening Something that was so intensely deep for me by like trying to sell it and like salesy. Yeah, like I'm, you're trying to like find an angle. I remember one time somebody I really really, really respect and admire, who I won't name, who's a big deal in the fitness industry, probably is like Janet Jackson and never going to listen to this podcast ever.
Speaker 2:Damn it But.
Speaker 1:I love him. He's a great dude and he posted something. You know what I'm talking about, huh I. He posted something on his Instagram like a year ago and it was really really good. It was about like. It was about making like. It was just speaking specifically to coaches and trainers and fitness people And I know that's who is out there like supporting our podcast and listening to us. So I thank you and this is not like I'm not an a saying dudes, That's not what I'm doing. I'm just being honest with my own personal struggle.
Speaker 1:And he was speaking to coaches and fitness business owners about making sure. The thing he said was you know, when you're speaking to people about these things, you have to sell the smile, not the braces, and it was really powerful. Actually, it was really really good because he was saying, like look, nobody's going to come in and want to buy what you got. When you're like, hey, you're going to come in here and get your ass beat twice a week and like have to pick up heavy stuff and put it down and it's going to get real uncomfortable, you're going to get winded and you're going to sweat and nobody wants that, you have to sort of paint a picture of actually like the reason why you're doing it, which is the smile. Right, the braces give you the smile and in fitness, it's like you put in the work so that you can achieve whatever that is. That is your why Right.
Speaker 1:For me that was, you know, freedom, self-acceptance, being able to move, being able to like, be fit and present with my family, blah, blah. So like he said that and I was like, yes, that's so good, that is it right there. And I went and I clicked to like comment on it and I saw some asshole had commented on there Yeah, this is so good. If they're crying, they're buying.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, If they're crying, they're buying. And I was furious. I went in. I was like I okay, this is the part I'm not proud of. Rachel already knows I literally wrote like a three page novella, Like for real. I literally like three page long email to this guy who is a significant person in the fitness industry, who did not have the time to read my impassioned email And he didn't read it and he absolutely read it. He absolutely read it and wrote me the most wonderful, thoughtful and sincere response that, like, I still have saved This is an admission. I still have it saved in my emails because that was like a big deal.
Speaker 1:But it also helped me, you know. It helped me because at the time I was, you know, in between, I was grappling with how do I and I grapple with it now in this spiritual space. It's the same thing in leadership, Right, You have to constantly check your motive. You have to, because when it stops being about like the spiritual space, it's the same thing about like the mission of loving people or helping them, you know, achieve health I'll just keep using coaching as an example Like when you kind of stop focusing on that and it becomes more about like making sales and stuff. It gets weird. The energy changes and it's not. It doesn't feel like expression.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:It doesn't feel like art, it doesn't feel like connecting with human beings, and it doesn't feel like that. And so what do we do there?
Speaker 2:It's the constant struggle of trainers and coaches, right. Like we have this magical thing and even leading retreats that we know can literally help people save and change their own lives. Like we have this special thing and to actually like have someone in front of you who you, who can't afford it, they straight up have told you in every which way possible, yes, and you have to say then, okay, well, you know, i'll check back in and follow up and whatever else. like those are the things that's so hard. and like it's the fine line too, because trainers got to eat.
Speaker 1:Well, that's what I was just going to say, and it's like a trainer is worth a I mean a coach that loves you, like that That's. You can't afford that. Honestly, the value of that is not something we could even really put a price tag on. There are people, you being one of them, who have literally changed the course of my entire life by showing up as a coach and giving the expertise and the knowledge and the holding space that is valuable. It's not not valuable. It's just so hard when you have to make that all fit in this, like capitalist society we live in, where we're measured by success and achievement.
Speaker 1:And then you know, here I go, get an existential again. I'm bunny the dog. Damn it. All right. So whenever I've decided, whenever I get to this point in the podcast, i'm just going to open my notes and I'm going to hit note roulette first one. May 3rd 2022 806 am. Db squats to thrusters, a glute bridge, chest press inchworms. 3040, 6040, 30. There you go. I'll just read a random note as a commercial segue. So, rachel, my big question to you is here we are again spilling our guts with no answers to give to the public.
Speaker 2:But we're getting closer and maybe, like sometimes I think about okay, maybe the exploration is the actual mission, like maybe we're not supposed to.
Speaker 1:Well, what the answer? say that again, say that again. I'm going to put you in my notes right now.
Speaker 2:Yes, i just I was. I think I said I even know, because I just like black out on the show. But I think I said that the exploration, like even the act of trying to figure this out, is the purpose. Like that's what we're supposed to do. Maybe we're not supposed to have concrete answers for just meant to be explorers.
Speaker 1:Excuse me, did you just like unlock the mysteries of life? Did you guys hear that The exploration is the purpose? Holy shit, you guys. Rachel prairie, we have to end right there. That's the end of this episode. I got to go. Journal.
Speaker 2:Ignore my note that said finger puppets Remember finger puppets and what about bunny?
Speaker 1:and what about bunny? We'll see you guys next time on school, your guts.