In this episode, Spill Your Guts features Marcie Walker.
Marcie talks about the assumed disparity between the terms "woo-woo", miracle, alternative medicine, and complementary medicine as they relate to standard medical treatment. She also describes the typical triggers for spiritual awakening, highlighting the stages that come before it.
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In this episode, Spill Your Guts features Marcie Walker.
Marcie talks about the assumed disparity between the terms "woo-woo", miracle, alternative medicine, and complementary medicine as they relate to standard medical treatment. She also describes the typical triggers for spiritual awakening, highlighting the stages that come before it.
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I got the green light from you. You said it was cool. All right, i can't help it when the music starts Here it comes, here it comes. Yes, welcome back. Spill your guts. Podcast episode 10.
Speaker 1:We are actually on 12.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, i was way off. For all of you younger people who don't quote movies anymore, that's a dumb and dumb reference. You're welcome.
Speaker 1:Yes, very good.
Speaker 2:Listen Episode 12. 12. That means something That's a dozen.
Speaker 1:Those last two were kind of emotional and listen Probably a blur.
Speaker 2:It's all been a blur. No, they've been good. They have been good, and you know what I could just have to say. Here we are, episode 12. And it's just just me, you and one of my favorite guests, who I'm about to introduce, but no Rache today.
Speaker 1:I know that's going to take like a half a second.
Speaker 2:Everybody RDP. She's on a work trip in Chicago right now, so she couldn't be with us. You guys are just stuck with me And my thoughts It's actually. It's actually going to work out perfectly because I'm so, so, so excited to introduce you guys to one of my great, great friends, mentors, somebody I admire and respect very much. Marcy Walker is in the house. Yeah, and it's particularly special because we're following up from last week's episode where I got you know, i got real out of my comfort zone, jesse.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you put me out of my comfort zone as well.
Speaker 2:We talked about tarot and we talked about woo, woo and I kind of shared a little bit about my spiritual evolution you know, if anybody cares, and Marcy's raising her hand pointing woo, woo, woo And so it was actually kind of a vulnerable episode for me because we talked about some of that discomfort of like sort of coming out of a spiritual closet and standing in my truth and what I believe in sort of like not shying away from putting that out there anymore. And so having Marcy on this next week after is perfect because she's been pretty instrumental in helping me kind of step onto this next.
Speaker 3:But how?
Speaker 2:would you call it Marcy?
Speaker 3:Hello, first of all, welcome. Welcome to the podcast. Thank you so much for having me. Oh, thank you for being here.
Speaker 2:I'm ready to be here.
Speaker 3:Oh my gosh, i think you're on your next. Next, you're like leveling, literally leveling up. Well, you're supposed to say that? No, i would tell you the truth.
Speaker 2:I know you would because listen guys, she's an anagram expert. One of these days we're going to talk about the anagram on this podcast, but oh boy Type eight And if you know me and you know the anagram, you know I surround myself with eights, which is great for me, Mandy.
Speaker 3:I will always tell it to you straight.
Speaker 2:I know you will. That's why I love it, that's why I'm glad you're on here And I was hoping that you could this week, since Ray Cheese not here. I wanted to showcase some of the stuff that I've learned from you anyways. But also it's ironic because last week when I recorded the tarot episode, i had some listener feedback come in and I thought it was very interesting because she she's a good friend of ours who listens regularly and she wasn't aware of, like, the past couple episodes and the themes because they haven't aired yet, and she was sharing that.
Speaker 2:She thought that we overused the term woo, woo, like to like a detriment, and I was like, oh, tell me more, tell me more, that's good feedback. Like, what do you mean? And she was like Well, i kind of feel like you know, like the first couple episodes that you guys were talking about, like what you do at retreats and some of these like modalities and, um, you know, personal development things that you do, you know, can lean into quote, unquote woo, woo into, like the spiritual stuff, and she's like, you know, i totally got that the first couple episodes, but you guys kind of use it so much that it sounds like you're sort of hiding behind the term And I was like, wow, actually I really really took, i mean, i took that in such a good way. It was such good feedback for me because I was like Ooh, ooh, that's, that might be something there. And it was interesting because of what I talked about last week, sort of calling me out right, like using the term woo woo in a space where it feels uncomfortable to talk about like spiritual practice, because it's not mainstream. Right Is is, as I think what we were doing. And I was really appreciative that she kind of called me out, because part of this whole thing, like talking about this and spilling our guts, is about demystifying these things that are real, that are having real impact and real change and real growth. And so I thought How perfect, because I'm having Marcy on this week and we're going to talk about like.
Speaker 2:So I kind of shared about my faith collapse last week, which happened. You know, i've been in it and recovering it from it for for me for years now. But I wanted to pick your brain about like. So when someone wants to start a inward journey, what the hell does that mean? Where would one start? You are a coach in all things woo, woo. So I'm just blurting all of this out, spilling it out everywhere for you to just like come in and help us make sense of this. Where would somebody start if they're on a journey, if they were, you know, kind of finding themselves with their faith or whatever foundation pulled from under them? How does one begin that work? One, two, three go.
Speaker 3:I feel like I need a mop or like a, like a broom and a little dustpan right now, i know, i just sweep up all the fucking questions you just asked me. I know I'm like Marcy, So when you asked me to talk about Wu Wu, I took a minute and I actually looked up the definition of Wu Wu And then I did. Of course I did.
Speaker 2:Wait before you go any further. See here, here, i am just already interrupting you. I know I made four pages of notes. I know you did. I'm looking at them and I'm getting sweaty because I'm more. I know it's going to get good, but I wish that sound would play every time I felt sweaty. No, but can you just who are you? Can you tell the people who is Marcy Walker? Why the hell do you? are you here to tell me about my life in a nutshell?
Speaker 3:Look, i'm in a nutshell, who am I? I am Marcy Walker. I am a clinical, certified clinical hypnotherapist. I am a practitioner of neuro linguistic programming, even though my profanity doesn't show that I am a life coach, a business coach, a Dharma which is purpose. I help people find their purpose. I'm a coach there. I'm also a practitioner of holotropic breath work And I am a full Mesa carrier, which means that I have received all of my shamanic energy rights, and so I. I also have Reiki under my belt.
Speaker 2:Yes, So you're what I call just a full Wu Wu Queen.
Speaker 3:I fully dance in the Wu. I love it. I'm so glad that I get to talk about Wu because by the definition it's unconventional beliefs regarded as having little or no scientific basis, especially relating to spirituality, mysticism or alternative medicine. And that got me kind of fired up because I dance in all of those zones. That is the official definition of Wu Wu. That is the official definition of Wu Wu. So then I was curious and I was like, okay, alternative medicine, unproven or disproven methods used instead of standard medical treatment to prevent, treat or cure, And I thought that was super fascinating. So then it made me wonder who's making these fucking definitions? Yeah, So then there's a difference apparently, between complementary medicine and alternative medicine.
Speaker 2:Interesting.
Speaker 3:Yeah, i've never heard the term complementary medicine You go to the doctor and they write you a treatment plan of all the things And then you go and see a chiropractor. The chiropractor at that point would be considered complementary medicine If you did not proceed with the standard medical. you're just a number in your diagnosis and you went and saw the chiropractor. without that it would be alternative medicine.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay. So if you're sort of using it in Lu, right, it's complementary, that's interesting, okay, isn't?
Speaker 3:it though, you know, and we're going to dive into, we'll dive in, we're going to dive into all sorts of things and where people get started And I think, to answer your question, where do you get started in your healing journey And for you? thank you so much for being vulnerable and transparent and sharing your faith crisis, because I know how challenging and that was For me. I had a health crisis, so I went from doctor to doctor to doctor and got treatment plans And they came up with all these codes to diagnose what I had, and none of that's the shit was working. So I went down an alternative medicine route and I went through the woo And so, through all of the decade of dealing with a stress related autoimmune disease, i discovered that my mission is to bridge the gap between spirituality, business and science.
Speaker 2:Yes, which is why you're the perfect person to come on here and define that for us, because you also do retreats, i also do retreat And you hold sacred space and do I love fire ceremonies.
Speaker 3:All the woo. I've changed your life with fire ceremonies.
Speaker 2:Girl we'd be burning everything out here.
Speaker 3:Burn it, burn it all I know, we should do one with your Jesse Whoa.
Speaker 2:Whoa. But the thing that I love about your work is that you're also So you really are bringing this into some mainstream spaces, and I think that's really important, because I think that when we talk about wellness and fitness and the spiritual wellness right Yeah, we're just sort of trying to feel it out right now like how we present this kind of stuff in the fitness and wellness space, yeah, so I think it's really cool that you are bringing this into the business world, and do you find that people are really receptive to it? Like, are people seeking out?
Speaker 3:this work, i think, through burnout, which brings me to your faith crisis. Right, yeah, you had Use me as an example. Oh girl, here we are. I've been waiting my whole life to hear that. No, seriously, though, because you had a breakdown to breakthrough. But your breakdown was through the church and mine was through health Right, so my health crisis started because I was working out of my values in a business, i was pushing past my physical boundaries and all of these things that ended up happening, and so it brought me to my knees.
Speaker 3:And then I was the phoenix rising through a breakthrough, which is a spiritual awakening. Yeah, right, so there are phases or steps that people, or stages of Dharma if I was to use my Dharma coaching language that people need to go through. So there's the first phase, which is self awareness, and it's self awareness is Oh shit, this is what my life looks like, this is the trajectory that it's going. I don't want any part of this. Okay, right, and so then they're like Well, what do I want to do instead? Or there's another thing that it's. The second level would be self improvement. Okay, so, self improvement. I want to change my physical body. I mean, how often did you see that, oh yeah, every January 1st, people walking into the gym and being like, hey, i want to start a new diet and an exercise program, right, That's interesting because I think that a lot of times when people get fired up about personal development, it's like the gateway drug to woo, woo, right, oh, my god.
Speaker 2:Like when you got page two, paragraphs three I'm having into your notes, i ain't even seen them.
Speaker 3:So would you say that, like the main things that cause people to come to that first point of awareness is like a health or faith crisis identity crisis a breakup, And I think oftentimes either a faith or a health crisis also can be the gateway to an identity crisis, because then you're not, then you're surrounded by people that may or may not fit your mold or thought process or mindset anymore.
Speaker 2:I would say that's definitely true for me. I think I'm like, oh, can I just check all three of those boxes? actually? Yeah, because last week we were talking about, you know, this whole topic. It really was sort of out of the, the question of does your faith affect your self love? Yeah, right.
Speaker 2:So it was like, well, i had to kind of share my faith story because it absolutely did affect my self love, because I felt like the faith space that I was sort of trapped in that was not what is the word I want, wasn't, you know, all encompassing of all kinds of other belief systems, right.
Speaker 2:So I felt really sort of cornered, yeah, and it made me feel just like a certain way about myself that started to just like compound and compound and compound and keep me like in this weird struggle like cycle, right, yeah. And when I started really working on myself, which came through the personal development, physical improvement, it kind of like got me enough wiggle room to get out of that corner, yeah, to do like the even bigger work. But for years I really thought that I was just doing. It was just weight loss, yeah, it was just fitness. I would have, you know, just put all my money on that And I didn't realize that actually what the fitness was doing was giving me enough confidence to actually get up outside of that physical stuff and get into the spiritual Right.
Speaker 3:The self improvement starts with that health journey, Right, Yeah, Someone wants to change the physical component of what they're feeling, or you know how they're moving, or want to lose five vanity pounds or 10 vanity pounds or these things, And it starts the whole progression. And they're wondering you know how do I become the best version of myself diet, exercise, nutrition, and you know. Or maybe it's self help or therapy, or personal growth and growth and development, like you're talking about, you know. Or they're coming up with these bio hacks. You know how do I be better at work? Right, How do I do more with lust?
Speaker 2:How am I massed And honestly, that's how I, how I got kind of into Reiki because I was experiencing so much stress at the job that I had at the time And I did not feel like I had like my old faith foundation to stand upon. Yeah. So I was like, well, okay, this Reiki thing feels like this could be a way I could like protect my energy and like not knowing really what I was, what I was headed. I was like, okay, maybe this is like going to help me feel better so that I can go in and keep like working at this like you know, high performance level, yeah, And I think that the self improvement phase or stage is probably the most important because it is helping people transition from 3D to 5D.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what does that mean? Oh, that means. What is that? We're getting weird, rachel, where are you?
Speaker 3:The 3D is more we're processing.
Speaker 1:Thank you. Pause 3, 2, 1, go.
Speaker 3:We, you know, on the 3D, we're processing emotions and traumas and things on a physical level. Okay, and working our way to the 5D is that we're processing them without having to name it in our bodies or to store it as trauma. And, you know, a good example of a good awakening that has happened has been COVID. You know there have been, you know, like 9-11, it happened to our nation, right, but COVID happened to the entire planet And it was a big wake up call for a lot of people on the planet.
Speaker 2:Yeah, And so we there's definitely like a pre-COVID existence It is.
Speaker 3:And now we're hearing more of the things about being woke getting an awakening, an enlightenment and all the things right, and COVID was a big factor in that. So you know, and the purpose of wellness and well-being is not to worry about our health anymore.
Speaker 2:Ooh, tell me more about that. You think that this is not just like a niche thing, like across the board, people are searching for more.
Speaker 3:I do And I find it fascinating And all of the things that I've tried to find answers through trainings and certifications, you know, is with shamanism that shamans believe that. So in a woo-woo word, aura, right. So in your aura, which shamans refer to as the luminescence energy field, they think that there are, or they believe that there are, five levels of that. So the closest level to your body is physical, the next one out is mind and then emotional and then spiritual. Oh, wow, right, and why I find that so fascinating is an alternative medicine which would be Ayurveda. Believe that there are five. So part of your aura, and like when you walk into a room and you sense somebody and you're like, oh, i don't like that bitch, you know, then that's your, like your gut intuition, because they're walking through the right, which is which is on the science side.
Speaker 3:you know that we are emitting that electromagnetic frequency and that's like measured and real And think about when you go and work out and you, you're feeling yourself and you have your brand new gym, your gym clothes on and you get all sweaty and your endorphins are pumping. You totally raises your vibe and you're like, bless, I'm the baddest bitch in the room. Yes, And it really. I don't know if everybody else does that, but that's typically how I feel after a workout Using with with clients. That's one of the states that I asked them to anchor, and their physical and their physicality So and their physiological structure, So they can learn how to manifest things that are on a higher vibe like that.
Speaker 2:Okay. So I just I want to break down like nine words that you just said Okay.
Speaker 3:Ready, so one.
Speaker 2:Okay, but don't actually count because I'm prone to exaggeration.
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 2:I know I'm dramatic. It's fine.
Speaker 2:It's fine When you say okay when you said like manifest, you said um, so I want to talk about all that with you, but like let's take it from like step one. So somebody comes to you and they're like I'm freaking out Yeah, i know, there's something more I want to. I, i I'm drawn to all this like maybe woo, woo, stuff, right, where would somebody start with that? Like what, what would what would that look like if somebody came to you and was like help, what's the first? what's the first?
Speaker 3:step. So this is an interesting question, because people don't normally come to me for this. Okay, people come to me for chronic pain. They come to me because the medical system's not working for them. They come to me to get off of uh, let's see six pain meds. I have two ladies that are both dealing with fibromyalgia right now that are on a boatload of antidepressants. They're on five different pain meds. They're not tuned into their life and they're like what is?
Speaker 2:going on. That is, i wasn't expecting you to answer that that way, but immediately I'm like, oh my gosh, it's, it's coaching, is coaching, is coaching Right? Like a lot of time people come to me because they want to lose weight Right, it's never about that And it's not about that, but but but they don't know that day one And that's that's kind of marketing, one on one.
Speaker 3:You have to talk it through. Your marketing You have to talk about where the person's at, not where I take them to. Okay, so they come to me with fibromyalgia and there are a lot of pain.
Speaker 2:I help them and And the pain and the physical stuff is one of those main roads to spiritual awakening.
Speaker 3:So, yeah, because it's, it's your body's indication that you are off track, okay. So if someone was to not be in chronic pain and need a hope dealer, like myself, then then I would encourage them or invite them to take a look at the things that make them excited, okay, and that light them up, because passion is that fire that's in your belly, that's a sacred messenger of telling you you're on track. And if you've recreated situations in your life that keep getting louder and uglier, and louder and uglier, until you fall down the stairs or you get blisters on your feet, that's your body Can't relate, can't relate. Wake the fuck up, bitch.
Speaker 2:Okay, so what you're saying? so like, like, literal, like the most bottom of the barrel, like number. One thing somebody can start doing to feel better now is to start thinking about things that light them up and simply changing what they're thinking about. Yeah, it's as simple as that. To like, raise vibration, raise your It's starting paying attention.
Speaker 3:It's that self-awareness, right, okay, i walk into a room and I'm with my mom and I feel really small, or I feel constricted. Or I go to share, like share a story, or with my best friend, and I notice there's constriction in my throat. It's starting to pay attention to the little signs and signals that your body is giving you, and most times that people don't even know, like, how to interpret the sensations that are attached with emotions. Oh, yeah, so there's a fine line between anxiety and excitement or nervousness, and it's learning how Awareness Yeah Yeah, awareness is the first step.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, and it's so contagious, isn't it? Like people's energy is so contagious, like when you Like what you're saying is when you start practicing the awareness, and like I am now like a notice, yeah, when I'm around certain people who are like always bummed out, yeah, or always in crisis, yeah, or always, you know, negative, yeah, and it takes like a literal physical toll on me now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that I am aware of it and it. And the more and more I lean into like this work right, the less and less at tolerance. Yeah, i have to. Not because I'm being like snobby bitch or something right, it's not like, oh, i'm so cool I can't hang out with you. It's not that It just literally makes me feel like shit, newsflash or an empath. Well, we'll save that one for another episode. What does Actually? no, what does that mean? Like if this is woo woo 101, what does? Can you explain what empath?
Speaker 3:means. So I want you to think of being empathic, or being an empath as your spidey sense, okay, and it's usually a derivative of people growing up in fear. That And that fear has made them hyper, or chronically hyper, alert, okay, or living in that. So, for instance, you have an alcoholic father and your mom and your dad are always fighting all the time and you walk into the room and you sense it as a young kid, right. Then you're always kind of running radar outside of you to try to keep yourself safe. Like if you can sense it from far away, then you already know how to protect yourself.
Speaker 3:Yeah, absolutely, and so then people develop this spidey sense along the way, and then people are accused of being too sensitive or emotional or all the things. And when that empathy it's being able to put yourself in someone else's shoes Yeah, but you've learned it through trauma, oh.
Speaker 2:Well, shit, okay. Well, thanks for coming into the Spill Your Guest podcast. That's all we need.
Speaker 3:No, we'll see you later.
Speaker 2:I'm just kidding. So would you say how important then, in relation to you know, all these things is people's childhood and upbringing?
Speaker 3:Oh, my God, i'm so glad you asked. We know everything that we need to know about our self-worth and what we deserve by the time we're seven years old from because, from the time that you're in utero, you to seven years old, you've already determined all of that because of the learned behavior that's going on around you, and you already know that, whether or not your parents conceived you and both wanted you.
Speaker 2:Wow, wow. And so how does well, so then that explains why we're all fucking losing our minds, yeah.
Speaker 3:Okay, great, got it. Yeah, And so that's part of the human, human experience of coming here onto this planet. Like I think of our journey on this planet, as I think of us as up in the sky somewhere, and we all get on a bus and I'm on the bus and I'm driving or I'm in the backseat, and then the person gets on and I'm like, hey, can you teach me about abandonment? And the person's like, oh, yeah, let me sign up and that's going to be my debt. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:So you make these contracts on this school of life bus, right, and you come in. So you come that this is all our whole entire journey. So the people that have caused the trauma for you are things that you signed up for. So, when you wake up to your life through self awareness and you're like this is a trajectory, fuck me, like this is what you asked for to come for. So then you dive into self improvement Right, and then, once you start going through self improvement, then you're starting to perfect things and then you're like, oh, maybe there is something bigger. And then we transition to spiritual awakening and through you had your spiritual awakening through a faith crisis, and it doesn't seem to go away, does it?
Speaker 2:No, I'm still waiting for it till kind of calm down and fuck off. But no, I'm still here.
Speaker 3:And it's just going to get So. Some trauma just keeps recirculating. You know just how life gets bigger and out, louder and luckier. If you don't look at it, it'll keep recirculating, but the amount that you're triggered in it gets less and less.
Speaker 2:Well, i'm glad you shared that because it's kind of like what I was talking about last week on our previous episode, because it was I was trying to sort of share how, like the listen to your life piece, right, the, the realization that I was re, i was sort of recreating the same situation for myself without realizing it until this, like last time, when I really realized it. And so it's like there's never a OK, like you got this, like we're going to it's all steady now, right, as soon as, like, you sort of grasp one thing, it's kind of like onto this next thing. I was I was telling you before we started recording that I had a little download. I was going to wait to share with you until we were recording this so you could kind of like pick me apart, live for the people. So I had a little download. And again, i think we talked about the when we use the term download, but it's kind of like when you have a little spiritual revelation or a self awareness revelation, i just calm downloads, may I.
Speaker 3:Yes, please, It's a knowing without knowing. You know the information. Yeah, it's like all the sudden, Yeah, it just comes on your radar. I know it's right And there's. I mean, I have a sense of knowing and it's, you know, like it's in my abdomen. Yeah, like where do?
Speaker 2:you feel in your body. I feel that way.
Speaker 1:It's like when.
Speaker 3:I'm on track with something that I do and I'm like, oh, yep, there it is, yes, and then I know I can lean into it and trust it, and so it's validating your, your intuition.
Speaker 2:But unfortunately for me, that's when I also know that I can't avoid it, because I've been told. Damn it. Oh see, there I go.
Speaker 3:Oh, with the spiritual awakening thing you know, going from self improvement to the spiritual awakening that is your transition and the realization that you aren't just a mind and a body to improve, you are a soul to know nothing was wrong with you, you're not broken, there's nothing to fix And you're ready and whole. You're already whole as you are.
Speaker 2:Yo, i'm going to need you to read that again, so I'm going to tape that to my mirror And so you did well before you, before I make you do that again. It's I mean, just because we're I've shared my story. We're using me as, like, the guinea pig here. Yeah, that, right there, what you said. It immediately made me feel like like yes, but also a pinch of like ooh, that's so hard, like for somebody coming out of like a religious or whatever backgrounds we're all coming from, like to allow yourself the hope to believe that that's true and to work towards that.
Speaker 3:That's the work right, but isn't it better than playing the victim like I mean, and being in that sense of everything's happening to me? I would like listeners to reframe that and think about the things that are happening in and around their lives, in all of the areas that they're happening for them, you know, and they're in the transition, hopefully, of realizing that they aren't just a mind and a body, that they're sold to know, Do you think that the pinch someone would feel to like resist that and be like no, that's not for me, or?
Speaker 2:or it's scary as fuck.
Speaker 3:Right, because it's scary, and that's also where to start right, like especially if the five or you know the people that are around you aren't going through the same experience like a spiritual awakening, is lonely Girl, you, you are not lying. I have friends dropping off like lies. But you know, during the spiritual awakening your focus shifts from trying to fix yourself to trying to get to know yourself.
Speaker 2:Whoa, whoa, whoa. Okay, there's so many sound bites here.
Speaker 1:Hold on I can't, i don't have enough buttons for this The spirit is say that again, please.
Speaker 3:Okay. So in spiritual awakening, or the transition from self improvement to spiritual awakening it's unfortunate that I don't have videos, since I talk with my hands The transition is about your, your focus shifting. It's shifting from trying to fix yourself because you think something's broken and wrong with you, right Right, to trying to get to know yourself. And the mechanism in which you and I both obsess about is the anagram. Like I use the anagram with clients to create self awareness and to have them come up with a self improvement plan and to be able to illuminate things in their behavior and their personality and their motivations that they don't, they don't even see.
Speaker 2:Yeah, No, you just said something so powerful because I feel like it. Um, this was all channeled, by the way, my passion with fitness, and a lot of people would think it's. It's like, oh, you, you must feel so much better, right, like when you've lost a hundred and ninety pounds, right, like, oh, that's the first thing people ask me, oh, you must feel so much better, blah, blah, blah. And I'd never really know how to answer that, because of course I do, right, of course I physically feel better, um, for many reasons, right, but the magic of of the journey right, was not in trying to fix myself, it was when that journey transitioned into knowing myself. Radical self acceptance is what I say, yeah, and so you just explained that perfectly.
Speaker 3:That's so, that's so powerful.
Speaker 2:Well, because, because right, the, the energy behind trying to fix yourself is not love Right, it's fear Right. So then, worthiness. So the definition from from fear to love right is a spiritual awakening Right. And that's scary. Oh, you're taking me to church, marcy.
Speaker 3:Walker. So the definition of spiritual awakening is the realization that you are a soul having a human experience, and that's it.
Speaker 2:Nothing to fix, no, nothing to fix, you're not broken, yikes.
Speaker 3:And then the next step is you dive into all the forms and systems, into getting to know yourself.
Speaker 2:And so that's why, like, if Rachel were here, she would, we would be giggling about all the and you just listed off all the different sorts and things that you have. Yeah, that's why all of us who get into this stuff like go crazy, right, i'm like, oh, have you done the anagram? Have you done this? Have you done that? And I like make everybody who hangs out with me crazy because I just let me in your brain.
Speaker 3:I mean, truth be told, it was. Tell me about your childhood. What work, oh my God. I just wrote my full story today and that's hard for an eight and any a gram eight. I was so proud of myself.
Speaker 1:Listen, how many hours did that take you?
Speaker 3:It didn't take me.
Speaker 1:I mean as well. That's why I'm asking.
Speaker 3:It didn't take very long, i thought it would take me two weeks. Well, listen people out there. I've been avoiding it for 47 years, but I finally was like I've done everything I possibly can in my business except share my goddamn story. And so today was the day Let's go. I outed myself Yeah, i love it.
Speaker 2:I love it. Well, i think it's interesting because, like I was going to show you, i had a little download for you. Yeah, okay, and so since you've been, you know, along with me on my journey here for a little bit, you're picking. You're picking, you're picking up in a very crucial point in my timeline, because I told you this summer that I was done with leadership, and what did I say? Well, you told me to f off, you're welcome. And then you said some other stuff, so like hopeful, fucking nice stuff, but I don't remember it.
Speaker 3:I know because you were too involved in your anger I was. That was a whole side of you that I have never even seen. It's a lot.
Speaker 2:It's a side of me that a lot of people have seen, actually, And I realized that you know we talk about, like you know, healing our inner child and we would spend a lot of time working on that stuff. Yeah, I even did some retreats earlier in the year where I facilitated some inner child journeys, right, And I feel like I really, really understood that and it was super powerful for me. But I was not aware that once you heal your inner child, you move on to healing your inner teenager.
Speaker 3:Right. Do you know why this is? No, tell me. Oh, my gosh. Okay, so every time that you're in this human, you're a soul having a human experience, right, right. And so every time that you experience some sort of trauma, your soul fragments. As a shaman, i will you know we're doing shamanic energy work. I will journey with clients and we'll go down to chambers and we retrieve part of their soul fragment that is manifested as an inner child, or their little girl or little boy.
Speaker 1:And so it's timeline.
Speaker 3:Therapy is what it is. Yeah like okay, we're gonna need a few episodes with Marcy girl.
Speaker 2:I'm out here. Where's Elon's lights? So?
Speaker 3:one of the questions I picked up in my dust pan on from the beginning is how do I incorporate this into corporate Like? obviously you can't walk in and be like broke. Your team needs some inner child work.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right, yeah yeah, we need to go get some of your soul fragments out of the chambers, right, no?
Speaker 3:you can't go there, but we can talk about like effective communication and emotional intelligence. Yeah, and those are the things that you talk about, and self awareness is one of the stages in emotional intelligence.
Speaker 2:Well, yes, and I feel like emotional intelligence has become like such a buzzword, especially in the leadership space. You know, like, and so I feel like in a lot of ways, people scratch that. Organizations have really seen people gravitating to this work right And are trying to use it to like make their teams really enticing or whatever, like, oh, we're emotionally intelligent, we're. You know, we're reading these, we're doing this and all this stuff. And it's like I find that I always say this on this podcast and everywhere in my life you can only lead as far as you've gone right, right, and it gets revealed pretty quickly who's who's using vernacular and who's doing work. Yeah, do you know what I'm saying? I don't exactly what you're saying, so I think that's what. And so to to your point.
Speaker 2:When I told you this this summer, i was like I told Rachel, i'm like no more retreats. I told you I'm not doing these things, i'm done with leadership, i don't need it, i'm just gonna live my life And I'm just gonna run. And I was angry all summer because I had had a bunch of stuff come up Yes, my inner teenager stuff And I didn't realize that's like what was going on, and it was like the anger and the. You know my inner, my inner freaking emo girl. It's just really really having a moment And, of course, like I'm not let off the hook that easily, right, because here I am doing this damn podcast, because I told Jesse we were gonna do it Wait a minute.
Speaker 2:Thanks for holding me, it's all your fault, it's Jesse's fault, we're blaming Jesse? No, but I'm saying like, obviously I still feel inclined to come out here and share, but I had this understanding when I was like, oh my gosh, my inner teenager, this is what's going on, and all the themes that I've been working through all summer really speak to that. It's not really like inner child stuff necessarily anymore, but it's this other thing, and so I'm sorry. I know I'm dragging on and on, but the download that I got today was like who then, am I right? If this like person that I've become right was, and we're just doing this in real time now on the podcast, we're just fucking going there.
Speaker 1:That's how we roll.
Speaker 2:I'm spilling my guts, but what I'm saying is, like this person who has been so agreeable if lots of people from different areas of my or different times in my life would all kind of describe me the same way Oh my gosh, she's so funny, she's so loud, she's so like, you know, loud, funny, charismatic, bubbly, agreeable, nice, you know, la la la. Whatever people say, i'm sure I'm sure some people out there have other things about me. I got, i got, i got people, you know, but for the most part, this personality that I've like constructed, i just started kind of spiraling today realizing like I had to construct some of these things for survival. Right, i had to learn how to be funny and like on my feet immediately. And, jesse, we've talked about this on other podcasts too And, using your humor, yeah, like because I was too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely, cause I was, you know, overweight in high school. I'm a big girl now still, even though I'm into fitness and stuff, like I've, i've always been big and I've always been able to rely on my personality for my safety, for social safety, absolutely, and and and I had. It was like not even a choice. It's like fight or flight, like if I don't like make fun of myself or find a way to win over this room. I'm dead meat dude Right And I learned that very early and then have latched onto that and I and I'm like having this whole identity crisis. Yeah, this like unraveling today of going well, wait a minute. I don't feel like I'm allowed to be angry. I don't feel like I'm allowed to like advocate for myself over to the eight side of the room.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying but this is why this, this, we say no more than yes. But what I'm saying is like I'm just realizing that this like year for me that's been so stressful And I've shared a lot of that on this podcast actually Like I've been really struggling with some of the stuff Spill the name, spilling your guts right.
Speaker 2:Cause I'm just keeping. Look at it, i can't we can't have a podcast about spilling your guts and not keep it all the way real, and so at this point it's too late. Now It's all out here, so I'm just being honest. But it's like I guess I started to wonder today because I I have this personality and I don't think I'm being fake, like I am being who I am. This is the only way I know how to be. But I had the thought, the thought the first time today that I've ever thought this like who would I be if I hadn't had to construct and rely on this?
Speaker 3:personality. Is this real? Like what the fuck I'm when I congratulate you because the roles that you've had to play to survive no longer fits right. So now you're in this moment, this sacred pause of being like who am I Right? So you're kind of recircling back through the first three stages of Dharma And then, after your spiritual awakening, you're going to start. You're going to start on your Dharma. What is Dharma? Dharma is purpose.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 3:You're trying to figure out what your purpose is.
Speaker 2:Well, we had a whole, we had a whole conversation about purpose a couple of weeks ago and I I don't believe in it All right, well, i would. I said no to purpose.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:What do?
Speaker 3:you say to that Marcy, i say bullshit, and I'm just thinking. I think you're avoiding it like the leadership conversation, because you don't want to lean in. I can see the resistance sitting over here, yeah. Okay, Anyways so do you want to just say something about him?
Speaker 1:So just to let our listeners know, i've gotten mine to be continued. We're going to promote this later.
Speaker 2:Here, i'll give you a break. No, no, no, no, no, no. I I. this is what I wanted you on. I'm Joe, i'm. I'm joking, because that's what I do when I'm uncomfortable, but here we are, so so you have an opportunity.
Speaker 3:Come on, let me have it.
Speaker 2:We'll go we'll go there, we're going there.
Speaker 3:Are you ready to let go of that personality? I don't know what that means.
Speaker 2:Okay, and that's okay, like, what, like. I would not even begin to know what that means, because I'm still. I mean, i'm still funny, right, i still get to be funny, absolutely.
Speaker 3:If you close your eyes and you fast forward to five years from now and I'm not here in Reno anymore, i'm in Germany or somewhere, leaving me, and I'm coming back and we run into each other in the airport, what do you say? What do you say that you'd want to accomplish in those five years? You're like Marcy I haven't seen you in so long. What would you tell me?
Speaker 2:And but what? what does accomplishment have? to do with personality, so wait there, okay.
Speaker 3:So what would you want to say? I would want to say, marcy, you son of a bitch, why didn't you take me with you? I mean, that's still an option. We're still co-creating our future.
Speaker 2:I would want to report to you that I'd finally finished writing my books. Okay, then I was going to meet Oprah, like I've been saying for years, okay, and that you know. So you, met Oprah. You finished that I lovingly released the job at the factory because I no longer needed that anymore.
Speaker 3:I would love to be able to tell you that was so like two thousand twenty two.
Speaker 2:No disrespect, but you know, I feel like I've learned all the lessons I need to learn.
Speaker 3:Your soul came with a mission, okay, right. So my question to you then would be who do you need to be to be able to finish those books, to be able to have that conversation with Oprah? So, whatever aspects of your personality now and that role that you've played to survive, it's, it's time to lovingly let that go and become the person that you meant to be. And unfortunately for little Mandy, that's in fucking leadership.
Speaker 1:How are we feeling right?
Speaker 2:now My cheeks are red. Gosh, dang it. Rachel, pray, rachel, come back. Effectively avoided a hot seat bitch And.
Speaker 3:I'm no longer invited.
Speaker 1:This is I'm going to give you a break. They're coming back. This is fantastic.
Speaker 3:I'm going to give you a break for one second, please do, okay. So let's circle back to the whole woo woo thing. Okay, and I'm going to reread the definition of what that is, and I would like to have you answer the difference between another definition I'm going to give you.
Speaker 2:Okay, ready, i hope you guys appreciate this. Listeners out there that I'm just like letting you watch me be in a session with Marcy. Yes, hold on, she's sweating like a horn.
Speaker 3:I am Woo woo Ready? Unconventional? unconventional beliefs regarded as having little or no scientific basis, especially relating to mysticism, spirituality or alternative medicine. Okay, ready for the next definition. What's the definition of a miracle? A surprising and welcome event that is not explainable by natural or scientific laws and is therefore considered to be the work of a divine agency. I tell you, it's whoever's right. Dude, what So it's whatever metric for success.
Speaker 2:Woo, woo is miracles.
Speaker 3:Pretty much.
Speaker 2:Okay, i submit to your authority.
Speaker 1:I know my definition of miracle always came from Pulp Fiction which would be the last scene, when they're talking in the cafe about after they almost got shot by the the gangsters that almost got shot right and then they saw a miracle and they defined it.
Speaker 3:What was the definition?
Speaker 1:Oh I, put myself on the hot seat. He totally did. when the possible is when the impossible is made possible. Yep, that's what John Travolta said.
Speaker 2:Well, that's really really powerful, So okay. So, when one finds themselves in several cycles of spiritual awakening, is this, is this just what it is? Like I'm not crazy, right, like Rachel, and I always joke on this podcast that like either all this stuff is real or we're mentally ill. I mean, it could be a mix of both.
Speaker 2:I'm not trying to laugh at that, because that's very actually possible And real. but but the truth is is like like accepting that they're like once there is some understanding and you get like your feet underneath you again. Here comes another wave of lessons, right Like that's just to be expected for sure.
Speaker 3:Because the universe is like hey did she? did Mandy really learn her lesson Right?
Speaker 2:So do you think that we are tested? I do think we're tested. Interesting I go. I do too. I call it a. Do you mean what you say? Yeah, when it pops up. Yeah, so I feel like it comes around. I can't wait to see what you say.
Speaker 3:If you're on the train of status quo and you're not paying attention to the signs and signals that are going by, right, of course it's going to be like I think the universe is like hey, are they really paying attention? Yeah, are they really? Did they really learn their lesson? Yeah, it's tough. Do they really mean what they say? Yeah, are they going to change?
Speaker 2:And you know, like I don't think that personal growth and development ever, ever ends, hmm, Well, i, i I joked around a bunch that I feel like I fucked up because I was talking so much about turning 40 this year and and how like I was going to be transformed and blah, blah, blah. And it's like I actually feel like I caught that in, because I feel like that whole thing I was trying to explain to you about, like my personality and stuff. I had a little moment at work today where I don't I really don't know how to explain it. It was just like I realized that, like that whole sort of jovial agreeable, like what do you need, i'll do that, i'm your guy. That's like I was relying on that And it was. I for the first time saw that as like a shield. But that's your two.
Speaker 3:I know, so let's break that down. Okay, break it down.
Speaker 2:You are a chronic people pleaser, and that is on an anagram. Two is a two, it's called a helper. So how would you just real quick Cause I don't want to spiral into like an anagram episode, but just for anyone who's not familiar how would you explain that real quick in a couple sentences?
Speaker 3:Anagram is like an ancient tool. It's been around for thousands and thousands of years And it's a personality test. That are nine types And normally if I say I'm going to clients, so you're going to have a personality test, they cringe and you can see the look on their face Immediately think of, like Myers-Briggs and stuff. They think that they're going to get pigeonholed into one type And the reason that I like the anagram is that you can be aspects of all different nine types.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we really all are. You are Mixed here, we're just dominant.
Speaker 3:And why I use it in my practice is you know, as a stress relief and purpose expert is, i'm helping clients bring awareness to things that they are, things that they're not, and then it gives them language, different language, for them to use, Right.
Speaker 2:So for me, as an example of that, I'm an anagram too, which is called the helper Right And the fatal flaw of the helper is people pleasing And not setting healthy boundaries? Yeah, But the you know the champion too is the guy who is, you know, reliable And So, but you do things in when you are an unhealthy version of yourself.
Speaker 3:You do things for people to be loved and needed And when you feel that you are not appreciated then you get pissed And just so you don't feel totally on the hot seat and your cheeks start getting as red as your solo cup here. Like twos and eighths you know this side of the room typically get mistyped Interesting. So I was typed as a two for a really long time So I can totally relate and I'm empathetic to how you feel And I can see those patterns in my life and how they've shown up and how they have not served me Right.
Speaker 2:So you're saying that, like one of the cool tools of the anagram is to be able to see, like the potential of who you are when you're in your highest self and your best energy, your most healed, when you're in the basement, and then when you're not, when you're not being your high self and you're in your toxic behaviors, which is when I'm people pleasing for sure.
Speaker 3:Jesse, rachel and I are our healthy selves. We emanate a healthy two. Oh interesting. So all the people that would be involved in this podcast today if Rachel was not here, and just here.
Speaker 2:She's here in spirit Exactly.
Speaker 3:It would be that we are all of service to other people, but we're managing being of service to other people with healthy boundaries.
Speaker 2:So would you say that a two in their high self emanates more of an eight energy. Then Yes, because they're able to set healthy boundaries and not like be sort of like crippled by fear, the crippled rejection and all that.
Speaker 3:I don't know if fear of rejection, but it's not being loved, maybe abandoned.
Speaker 2:Interesting. What would be a good resource people could go look at if they were interested in the?
Speaker 3:anagram Anyagram Institutecom is a good one, cool.
Speaker 2:What about your websites, Mars? Where could people go to find you? We're gonna have to have you back on this mall.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they can find me all over the place The wildsagesocietycom, livingyoursoulspurposecom or marsywalkerscom.
Speaker 2:Yay, oh my gosh, do you have any like last burning thoughts, like Jerry Springer's final thought, but Marsy Walker's final thought Take care of yourselves and each other.
Speaker 3:She's gonna give me some like wild homework.
Speaker 2:No, okay, again I'm aging myself for all of you people that did grow up watching Jerry Springer.
Speaker 3:My piece of advice would be you are what you're looking for, Ooh. Just to everyone, or me specifically, i'm like, i'm just gonna tuck that away in my heart or whatever, i think everybody because I was always looking for things outside of me to make me feel whole Right, and then the journey was finally realizing that I'm exactly what I'm looking for.
Speaker 2:And then it's just the journey is an inward an hour.
Speaker 3:Now it's stepping into being who I am supposed to be.
Speaker 2:Marsy, beautiful human, thank you so much for coming on and spilling your guts. Thank you, i'm like welcome back. I 100% hope so, because I have a fucking bone to pick with certain people who are near who need to be put on blast. I need to meet her. She's the best. She's the best And I know that she actually really, really wanted to meet you and beyond today, but we just couldn't make it work with time schedules and stuff. But we will have you back because we need to pick back up where we left off here. So, thank you so much And we'll see time.